Ditto that as well. That is why I go with float. My feet natuarally turn out quite a bit, and I cannot set my cleats up to effectively pedal in this position, without knocking my heels on the crank. Plus I would really have to torque my feet inward to unclip. I set them up fairly straight, then with the float they are able to move around to a more natural position during the stroke, and I have not had knee pain.