i do not see how that follows at all - lance can average 33.5 mph on his own (on a hilly course, i should add - i saw that stage) for an hour. on a flattish course at see level i once managed 25 on my own for that long. once i averaged 23 for two. and in my original post i clearly stated that "most of the time i average about 18-20 mph."

that's a big difference. and nobody else here has posted an average time even close to lance's. hell, lance averaged over 25 for the entire tour, which you may have noticed wasn't exactly flat.

anyway, i'm done with this thread.