Yes, that is what I was refering too. The LeMond bikes, as built by Trek, incorporate the long top tube / stretched out riding position. Then in their Pilot series, they shorten that up, which sits the rider in a more upright position.
Although the riding position is dependent upon the length of your arms. If you have longer arms, you might have the about the same approximately riding position on a LeMond compact frame as someone with shorter arms might have on a Trek Pilot.
While my arms are a bit long for my height (upper torso is longer than my lower torso), I still found the LeMond design to be too forward/aggressive for my liking. But I admit that I like to sit more upright than many other riders.
The Giant geometry lies in between the LeMond and Pilot geometries.
I had the chance to compare a LeMond Reno and a Trek Pilot 1.2, both in my size, in the same store. It was very interesting to go back and forth between them, after adjusting for saddle height and handlebar position. They looked very similar, but there was an immediate & obvious difference in the riding position.
Last edited by Tom Bombadil; 04-10-07 at 03:31 PM.