Okay - I confess my stem experiment didn't turn out as well as I hoped - I'm happy with the new bars, but the stem was too low for my back - fine for a mile or two, but after that the position was too uncomfortable. Still, it was an interesting experiment, and I haven't given up, playing, in fact i've just ordered a shorter stem but with a 17 deg rise... we'll see....
Richard
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Currently riding an MTB with a split personality - commuting, touring, riding for the sake of riding, on or off road :)