Dude, I feel the same way. I tell the customer exactly what they're getting. Crap. Have you ever built one from the box? The stem is complete garbage... it should almost be against the law to make those. We have the Lager's in stock... they're way better. $440 is a tougher sell, but the bullhorns are what people go for. The frame is about 10 lbs. lighter too. Have you seen the tan/brown color schemes on them? Pretty sweet looking. I haven't seen a Stout yet, don't think there's much of a market for them here.