It is also not helpful to use a retorical device in the midst of a discussion amongst equals. Concern about traffic and comfort during traffic cycling is not to be dismissed in a discussion amongst equals, but rather talked about in neutral terms and broken down to its components and felt out. We are having a discussion amongst equals, are we not?
If "anti-Foresterites" are accused of interpreting a retorical device literally, then the "Foresterites" are accused of using this said retorical term to dismiss legitimate topics of discussion. One begets the other: If "Foresterites" use the term in a literal fashion, as in using the term to accuse member of having this condition as a justification for dismissing their ideas out of hand, then the "anti-Foresterites" have no choice than to interpret the term literally.
The term needs to be dropped in these discussions altogether. That means everyone.
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