thanks shiznaz. i checked out some others too, and thought i had it narrowed down to these two... but we'll see. sorry if i got a little off topic here, but if i remember correctly, i think the guy i was talking to said that track geometry would be less comfortable on the road and handle worse than road geometry. the main reason i was looking for a bike that was closer to road geometry is my ability to handle the bike in a city setting (i don't want to break myself)... is a bike with road geometry that much easier to handle? b/c i test-road a pista and it didn't seem that difficult after i had a chance to get used to it.