12G sounds good to me...now to just earn it somehow.., we've been dreaming about our eventual switch to the countryside and the ways of doing it for awhile, still years to go but we're getting there. The step-father-in-law build domes in the area, both spray concrete and geodesic, and is always telling us the latest way to build cool houses, so we're constantly changing our focus and reconsidering every time he confronts us with a new thing he's working with. Adobe anyone? I thought it felt out of place...