I consider all this history that is coming up on this thread also less than frivilious...........or more than frivilious... well at least the thread is continuing and that is the gest of the whole thing. ... ... ...may the thread that sews this thread together be sown by the seeds of those who are interested in bikes, bike technology, bike riding, biking fun, just all aroung good bikeing sense..... .... ... . . . ... ...peace