Well my friend, thus far you have called fellow forum members & their opinions asinine, weird, stupid, unreasonable, accused them of using rhetorical arguments, and being full of Bull S**t.

I would suggest toning down a notch. I am assuming that you are here, and posting, because you care. The rest of us are here, and posting, bacause we care. So that's out of the way: we all care. Our opinions and ideas on the issues at hand are different - that's what makes a forum fun and educational. Please treat us with some respect and etiquette. Thanks.

What are your ideas? You did mention "collective effort (government)".
Is government your answer?
Because, as a conservative Liberatarian, I would suggest that to err is human: to really scr*w things up requires a Government
I look forward to your reply.
Cheers