Vegan your wrong about the tanning process stops biodgrading processes. Most tanning processes are all natural components...remember they have been tanning leather before your greatgrandfather was a twinkle in his daddys eyes! Way before "bad" chemicals were invented to make your synthetics that you so proudly wear! And those synthetic chemicals bleed into the ground water and guess who drinks it? Your poor little animals you so valantly yak about, and they DIE or have young ones with birth defects, and is one of the reasons why there is a huge animal die off going on. And if your such an animal worshipper than sell your car, motorcycle, lawn mower, stop using your gas and electric at home because all of that is contrubuting to your beloved animals demise. And your clear conscious for not using or eating animals had gone back to your parents and beyond you won't exist today! In India there are thousands of starving people roaming the streets alongside of cattle they cannot eat because they are considered holy, where is the "right" in that? You would probably say the animal has more rights than us? hmm...I had a neighbor that molested his own child and served 2 months in jail, while another neighbor stomped a stray cat to death in his yard in front of some school kids and got 6 years with 3 years served. Where's the justice in that? I can force my girlfriend to have an abortion and she goes along with it and it's ok because the fetus is not yet born so it's not murder, but kill an unborn eagle in it's egg and I can get 25 years! San Francisco a drunk kills another person gets 1 year, 2 years after he is released he's drunk again and kills another, now he gets 5 years, 1 week after being released he is drunk again and kills a family of 5, he gets 15 years! A man killed a porpose off of San Francisco while fishing and gets 15 years.

These animal rights people have gone too far. The animal “rights” terrorists are like the Unabomber and Oklahoma City bombers. They are not idealists seeking justice, but nihilists seeking destruction for the sake of destruction. They do not want to uplift mankind, to help him progress from the swamp to the stars. They want mankind’s destruction; they want him not just to stay in the swamp but to disappear into its muck.

Don't get me wrong, I think preservation of species is important. I think certain rules of engagement should be practiced. I believe that every 7 years all fishing in all oceans should stop to allow time for the fish to reproduce. And sport fishing should not be allowed to use any technology to catch fish such as sonar-thats not fishing.

I also disagree with rich people going to large 1,000 acre+ ranches to go hunting for whatever animal they want when these animals have been fed by man so they don't fear man-thats not hunting.

I also think that chemicals being leaked into the ground water and into the air should stop. Unfortunatly big business has more power than even goverments-but don't forget the goverments need big business tax money.

But I also don't worship animals or the earth, it was all placed here for man to use and to manage...we are failing at the management part. Only man has the power to deal with other members of his own species by voluntary means: rational persuasion and a code of morality rather than physical force. To claim that man’s use of animals is immoral is to claim that we have no right to our own lives and that we must sacrifice our welfare for the sake of creatures who cannot think or grasp the concept of morality. It is to elevate amoral animals to a moral level higher than ourselves-a flagrant contradiction. Of course, it is proper not to cause animals gratuitous suffering. But this is not the same as inventing a bill of rights for them-at our expense.