Amen Tom. Like the TdF riders are representative of the 50+ riding crowd. They aren't representative of anyone in the normal world. They are small, super strength to wt ratios, and young bodies. Nothing wrong with triples, flatbars, nor comfortable saddles for the rest of us. Riding should be a pleasure and not a trainwreck feeling. What ever gets you up the hill comfortably and has you wanting to do it again.