I dunno - I just bought two more pairs of Apollo shorts from Nashbar... I think I might kind of like lycra...

But I have yet to ride with the first pair of shorts that I bought and nothing else covering my legs. I probably won't wear these any different. The main reason that I bought them was for the chamois That new 165g carbon fiber saddle I bought really isn't all that comfortable.

I think that the reason a lot of SS & Fixers hate lycra isn't lycra - it's the people wearing the lycra. It's the people who have impeccable bikes but probably couldn't change a flat. It's people fully decked out in every concivable thing that you could get to be a 'serious biker' that you pass like they're standing still.

I've been looking into a new solution lately, but haven't had much luck searching the net - horse riding shorts. I remember when I was younger, I had a couple of pairs of couderoy shorts that were for horse riding that we got from GoodWill or who the hell knows where. They had a reinforced saddle area, plus regular and cargo pockets. They also had a button strap under the knee to hold them (cut off before I wore them). So far most of what I've found is for show riding, though - but I have found out that you can get a chamois PLUS a leather seat and inner thigh