"All the macho mountain bikers who brag about never washing their bikes are just being foolhardy."

Not to mention, they have dirty bikes. I for one cannot stand to ride a dirty bike. Just part of my genetic makeup I guess?

As for frame failures, I 've never had a failure on anything? Guess I'm not crazy as the next guy, lol. I did have a friend who snapped a Chromoly Hutch frame back in the 80's. Of course he weighed a good 180 lbs, and was trying to jump a concrete culvert about 5 foot deep(with no ramp I might add). He hit the edge of the other side with the middle of the downtube, and blammo. snapped both the upper tube and downtube clean in two. He lived, surprisingly enough.,,,,BD