I have an ibex t-shirt and it's beyond 'athletic' to the point of not being there, I don't wear it. I was deliberate about specifying smartwool brand shirts. The shorts or knickers I figure well that's pretty much what you get anyway so I'm willing to give ibex the benefit of the doubt on that, esp. w/ 30% off (but haven't pulled the trigger yet). I guess I didn't really spell that out clearly in my first post...