Originally Posted by
randya
and the actual speed of the motorists and the cyclists running the stop sign will be almost the same - 5 to 10 mph. What's your point again?

wow - your town must be all uphill with a constant head wind if your averaging cycling speed is 5-10 mph
ha ha
My point is that around here virtually all the cars stop or get to within 1-2 mph of stopping and most bicyclists do not even stop pedalling.
Hardly the same thing.
Someone driving 31 in a 30 mph zone is technically speeding but its not as noticable as someone going 60 mph in a 30 zone.