B17, I'm joking. They sell stuff like freewheel hubs by Phil that have been described here as still on offer because Phil made too many of them in the past. I think it's a great hub, but Riv should try making that case here sometime.

Sakkit is an interesting case, I don't think their frames are all that expensive. The average quality MTB in my local store is 2-4K for a completely non-custom bike, serious bike. The one downside of ordering a Sakkit is the options list, it's incomprehensibly long and varied, and could end up really costing you. THe weak link in all that kind of thing is the purchaser, what he thinks he needs or the maker guesses he needs is rarely that well developed. So you can spend a lot of money without a lot of a clue. Another worry I have is that there really aren't many Sakkits made. There is a huge claim of quality etc... but from what I hear it isn't really in contact with enough users, or varied enough users. The total number of bikes made may be very small. I don't have good numbers obviously, I heard a number very short of 100. It may be totally false. Other folks doing similar kinds of serious bikes are Arvon, Thorn, Bruce Gordon, Mather, and so forth. Most bike types have changed a lot in the last 50 years. Touring bikes have changes possibly the least, at least in the US. Look at the LHT it is fairly classic. The Riv moreso. Concept growth is occuring elsewhere.