Ric we all like to be right. Especially when we feel deep down that we are right. However, the parameters you keep talking about are for higher level riders. Those who are just beginning, or go on "fun rides" of a few miles could benefit from a weight program. I do know that as stated before a successful long-distance runner from my area was told he needed to be on a weight training program. It wasn't meant to put on bulk as that would not be beneficial, but he was told to do exercises to put on lean muscle mass. It would make him a stronger runner, and allow him to rely on his pure running ability more in the later stages of the race if things were close. Instead of having to try to gut it out, he could lean on the fact that he had strengthened his legs and can put more into the finishing sprint if he needs to. Unfortunuately, those who concentrate on a single sport such as cycling or running don't ever think they need a weight program. I'm not saying everyone should be on a weight program, I just think that it works for some people. I know it worked for me, and I know it worked for some of my friends. That is all I know for sure. I don't know what it will do for a complete stranger 100 miles away. I just don't think you can completely write off something like this initially. If things don't work out it's not like you can't quit. People quit things all the time. I just don't think things should be eliminated as training options just because a certain number of people responded negatively to it. Because everyone is built differently, different things work for different people. I am not advocating strength training for everyone in every sport. I am saying that some people who feel compelled to lift might want to try it to see how it helps them. If they feel more confident by strengthening their leg muscles and adding lean muscle to them, it may be a psychological advantage more than anything. Yet, it is still an advantage they have. They will be less prone to doubt themselves, and maybe push harder because they just "know" they can.