so i ended up with some Gallila toe clips (large) and campi toe straps. Again I am using Campi quill pedals.
Note: wicked freaky hard to get into the pedals. My feet are or shoes are too wide. maybe the straps just need to stretch out because my feet aren't gonna get any skinnier!
Anyhow, the toe clips are the right size.
Thanks everyone.
I'll get used to it.
Joel