Yeah, the changes in my geometry and the weight of my bike took away/changed the sweet spot... it's different now, and I just can't quite find it...'

It's good to know others move more towards the toes too - I've been kind of wishy-washy as to which feels better - moving the pedals under the toes or putting them under the arch of your foot. Toes are easier for clipping back in, but do make the stand less stable...

It's not that I'm having trouble with them unclipped, it's just that it feels a lot different. I'm used to being able to stand for minutes at a time with bmx pedals and caterpillar steel toed work boots (even close to a min no handed that way!)... trying to do it with these cycling shoes just kind of feels wrong... I don't really know how to explain it correctly. I think a lot of it is the transition from 'riding' foot position to 'standing' foot position - it's about 3/4" difference, which changes the weight distrobution a lot... I'm still not used to that...

I'll get it eventually, I'm sure. I was hoping someone had some zen and the art of trackstands help on it.

Oh well