the hub says '72 which is really hard to believe isn't it? i mean they made internationals and pros then too, yes? hell, i have an international from that era and it weighs about one third what the tourist does. just wait until i get that b135 and brooks saddle bag on her... and sorry, but i really don't know much about the fen...mudguards. all i know is that they have a beautiful lip and a delightful little pinstripe on them. btw- there's a really clean example of one on the 'bay right now... not mine but i wish it was...