Are you kidding Dave?
Most post are "are Trek good bikes?"
This is a great thread! Its about the beauty and workmanship in bikes.
I think it is very cool you posted, I love to argue, I only mtb though so we won't be talking often. We have a member who is a framebuilder with a company in new Zealand?
Thylacine, of Thylacine cycles. You could get his site from the members list, then link.
Oh, and just because you are a FANTASTIC framebuilder and metal artist, doesn't mean I'm not gonna disagree with you. Well, perhaps I won't shoot my mouth off as much as usual, considering you DO know what you are talking about.
Have yourself a great day Dave.
>jef.