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older doesn't mean better. Nope but it does mean better for cheaper. Compare the price of a DB 4130 frameset from the 80's to a new one. "Vintage" doesn't add a premium unless you are looking at certain brands.

There is a cheap way and a right way And usually there is a cheap way that works almost as good as the "right way".


Buy a nice track frame and take off track drops etc. Most people are better off with a conversion then a track frame and for the price most go for these days you can have a damn nice conversion.

"Why not buy nice parts, then upgrade the frame later?"

Well, noob, because many of the nice parts you buy will be designed to fit your non-standard conversion. Like what? You're not going to find a nice asstastic crankset so worst case you are out a BB and maybe a seatpost.

but I want to lurn part of learning is making mistakes, those mistakes often result in damage to parts. Better to get that out of the withsomething ancient. Further the kludges that one comes up with to make a conversion on the cheap result in a far better understanding of how a bike works than simply putting together new stuff.

Really I shouldn't expect much from the type of ****up who thinks that horz dropouts are bad.