Originally Posted by schnee

Sorry about my tone last post. I should be less rude.

I think they're both wrong in one way or another, but very different.

If you download commercial music and don't pay, and would have paid otherwise, that's using a service without giving the creators what they asked for. That's bad, but in a bottom-feeder 'buck stops here' way.

If you take someone else's logo, tweak it and resell it, you're doing two things... making money off of their idea, and polluting their brand. It's gone from scavenging to being outright parasitic in a way that can actively roll back and hurt the creators. It's gone from a passive action to an active one.

See what I mean?