I'll admit that some TnT teams are not trained well, but if you haven't ridden with a Bay Area team, you really should give it a try. During the Tucson ride, it wasn't the Bay Area TnT folks who had trouble with pacelining - it was all the people that jumped on and then wouldn't go to the front and help out, but also wouldn't make room for the person rotating off the front to get back in. Pretty tough to have a smoothly rotating paceline when there are a bunch of people who are right on the wheel of the last team member, won't let you back in, but won't go to the front either.

The coaches for the Bay Area teams are very experienced and very good. A lot of the people who sign up for TnT are new to cycling and/or group rides, but the coaches get them up to speed very quickly on what's required and how to ride safely. TnT, IMHO, is a good thing for cycling - it brings in people who are new to the sport, shows them how to get in shape and how to ride safely.

JB

PS - have we ridden together? I'm not at all sure you have any basis to talk about my bike handling skills!