Just so you know, I did do a search before I posted this. During my search I read through a lot of threads, some of which were more than 2 years old. I didn't get all the info I wanted by doing that. I got what i needed by asking here. Also, I'm not so sure people really want an old thread brought back to the top so i can ask questions from people who aren't here anymore. Perhaps I'll just look through you entire posting history to read your mavix ellipse story since you say it's worth reading. But I'm happy I bought these wheels!