You're right, they are not bad bibs, but the new bibs are much better, and really point out the deficiencies of the Ultra bibs. Maybe deficiencies is the wrong word...but to sell those bibs at the price point they do, they have to cut some corners. Probably my biggest problem with them is the stitching on the chamois...I have to slather them with chamois cream to keep from getting saddle sores on mid to long rides, but after an hour and a half (!) on the rollers with the De Marchi bibs, I can already tell that isn't going to be a problem.

The Ultras are good, but the De Marchis just do everything better, for me. YMMV.

Oh, and for the guy who said now I have to try Assos, yes, they're next. But let me beat the christmas credit card bills down some, first. Unless some Assos bibs turn up on steep and cheap. ;-)