I think that the talk about stuff is one thing, What sets me off is the ones that tell of the perfict fit. with no explanation of the riders size shape of age. The worst of these is the g-rou from a nutey place in the west, that must be all torso with arms that don't come down to his wast. sorey i'v never read of him on here. Boots with heals may prevent scuffed nuckles.