hey 2rodies - is you 2 people or whadd??
if you are gonna shell out for a good bag. please get a bag made by messengers. you get the real stuff .. and you support someone, that is not spending half of what you pay, on ads, and gadgets in stores etc..
i have won 5 timbuk2s in mess. races, and a chrome(thank you sponsors)..but i will still direct you to reload, push the envelope, pac, or the good people at :under the weather..all of which make solid bags that nobody in your area has seen before.. /m