Brother Cecil is ripping you off....I've got Es's & handbuilts at the same weight, so I reckon I'm qualified to talk about 'em. Firstly, You can build your own wheels at a lesser weight & a significantly cheaper price...ie Chris king Hubs, RR1.1 rims & white industies bladed spokes...a bit of shopping & the lot can be had for $1100 AUD. Kysirium ES's can be had from PBK for under $1000AUD (at your door)....both are awesome wheelsets. I've ridden probably 5000km on each & can't fault either...although the Chris Kings are now my everyday wheelset cos my wheel builder is a mate & I know WHEN I break 'em, they'll be fixed quickly & cheaply......as for the 'downunder pinhead' remark earlier.....at least we're not gunna elect a sheila President...c'mon iron my shirt!