Originally Posted by
InternetDisease
this should be a sticky.
Why?
Langdolier refutes the quoted post with nothing but "where's your proof" statements everywhere while providing no proof of his own counterclaims.
Let's do this one by one.
Originally Posted by L
Stricter tolerances? Are you a qualified machinist with the tools to determine this, or did you just read this somewhere? If so, where?
By the same token, do you have proof that Dura ace hubs
aren't made to stricter tolerances than say a formula hub? Or did you just read this somewhere? If so where?
Originally Posted by L
The races are smoother? Apples to oranges, with a faint whiff that you don't even know what you're talking about. The formula hubs most of us use are cartridge bearing, the races are in the bearing itself.
And if you've ever actually replaced the stock cart 6000 bearings on formula hubs, you'd know that they SUCK at spinning. There's no comparision between a formula cartridge bearings vs the smoothness of a loose ball hub like the dura ace.
Originally Posted by L
Thread quality? Please describe for us the tools you used (or would use) to tell the difference in threading quality between formulas and more expensive hubs.
By the same token, let's see some proof that expensive hubs DON'T have better threading than cheaper hubs. Please describe for us the tools you used (or would use) to tell the difference between threading quality of formulas vs more expensive hubs.
Originally Posted by L
Lockrings that last? Newsflash: most formula hubsets and prebuilt wheels don't come with lockrings, and the ones that formula does sell are perfectly good. Some complete bikes do come with cheesy stamped lock rings on fomula hubs, but whose fault is that?
That point i'll concede.
Originally Posted by L
The bearings are very, very good
Sure doesn't sound like you've ever worked on or had to replace (STOCK) bearings for a messengers wheelset who rides in slush, snow, rain, salted roads - The bearings don't last long and don't spin well. Of course under the same conditions DA and Campy hubs would have to be repacked nearly daily but then again the superiority claims of Formula vs bling hubs is substantially overrated.
I have formulas, campy record road hubs, and a lot of good shimano stuff, and under no circumstances have I ever been able to feel the difference in any quality hub while riding. Anyone who thinks they can is full of it, hubs just don't contribute anything significant to road feel.
Just because it "feels no different" on the road doesn't mean that there is no difference. It might not matter to you, but it matters to others.