got tired of grinds, the highest ledge I found was like 2 and a half feet or so and I kept jumping onto it, plus, it just doesnt do anything for me, so I took the pegs off, I'd rather stick to tricks that don't require bashing **** into concrete, did a 12 stair ledge back in the day on my race bike with some borrowed pegs for fun, but thats about it, not into the whole grind thing at all.