Does no one actually read or comprehend on this forum?

My earlier statement was that some frames are re-badged for the pro-peloton, not unusual, and not referring to Pinarellos.

Second, I was not arguing about the originality of a frame, so whether I want and can purchase a Ottrott who cares about its originality??? It is one of the greatest frames on the market today, if you can or want to afford it. I am not familiar with the Exxon Graftek, but Ben Serotta makes some of the smoothest frames around, with customer spec'd customized carbon tubing, which I would pay for any day over being a guinea pig for an Mg frame.

Mg manufacturers working in new territory? It's just another alloy, I don't see how groundbreaking that is, advanced but not groundbreaking.