Joined: Feb 2005
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From: Milledgeville, Georgia
Bikes: 2018 Black Mountain Cycles MCD,2017 Advocate Cycles Seldom Seen Drop Bar, 2017 Niner Jet 9 Alloy, 2015 Zukas custom road, 2003 KHS Milano Tandem, 1986 Nishiki Cadence rigid MTB, 1980ish Fuji S-12S
The Soma Juice might be an option. Very close in dimension to the El Mariachi. Tange Prestige is not OX Platinum, but it's not 4130 either. Since I don't think you have any single speed ambitions, the lack of EBB would be an advantage over the Salsa. A good bit less expensive too. Especially if there are still '07 models around.