Originally Posted by
maddmaxx
Have you ever checked out the Haro line of mountain bikes. They tend toward very low standover heights and relatively long top tubes. I suspect that it is because of their background in BMX and dirt jumping.
I have a V4 frame with a 23+ top tube that has very little room for a water bottle on the seat tube because the front diamond is so compressed. (extreme compact top tube)
23+ is too long for me. The El Mariachi's 576mm is at the high end of my comfort zone. In fact, that is my primary concern about this frame. Would have to go with a short stem on it, maybe 80mm. I've been paying close attention to what top tube length feels best and the answer keeps coming back at around 555-565 with 90-100mm stem. The Mariachi gets to that range with an 80mm stem.
I rode a Gunnar Rock Hound 16" frame, that has a 580mm top tube and it had a 120mm stem. That was definitely way too long.
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