I agree with staying away from the murray,but it is very possible to build something with a lower quality steel set.I think being able to find a high quality tubing frame for cheap depends alot on you live(here on bostons CL every old piece of S**t is being sold as "vintage"for a couple hundret or more) and with e-bay shipping is a factor.$50 for a frame + $50 shipping your halfway to a pake.