How about this - we can go on and on - or end it here. I am for ending it here because I have a ton of work to do. I have tried to clarify many questions but that does not seem to be helping the situation. Instead of posting speculation after speculation, simply go to the source. The manufacturer can answer any questions you have and then you don't have to wonder who is being dishonest. After all I think we would be able to tell if we built a frame or not.