thanks man, i cut the pen down, really hammered it in there and was able to turn it back to neutral.

On a related note, I bought the OnGuard mini before i got my kyptolok, the reason i got the onguard was because i read that mini locks were better than larger ones and because i couldnt afford the krypto mini.

Well, i returned the onguard to REI after owning it for about 3 months because the locking mech was to unpredictable. There were days when i couldnt get the key out, or i couldnt turn the tumblers to even lock it at times. It wasnt a cylinder lock, and it was probably tough because i couldnt even get it to unlock and i HAD the key.

other options must exist

jeremyb