I recently purchased a brooks b-17 for my xtracycle. I've read alot of good stuff and some bad stuff about them. I really was not expecting to like it. My first ride was 80 miles with padded shorts, I was a little sore afterwards but no more than any other saddle I've used. Its been a couple of weeks and a couple hundred miles and I no longer wear padded shorts and I've been switching the saddle between bikes because I refuse to sit on anything else. I love this saddle.