I pretty much agree with what you're saying, but am still of the opinion that any mixte in clean ridable shape is worth $120. Weight and such really depends on the intended use - you're not likely to notice an extra 5lbs cruising across campus, but it might be a big deal if you're crawling up Griffith Park.
I've pulled apart and rebuilt a ton of old Signets, DLX's, Accordo's, and Cavaletto's. While built with varying degrees of inexpensive steel parts on what we would consider low-end frames, I've seen enough to know they are sturdy and reliable, and make perfect campus/path/city bikes.
The Le Mans is a good recommendation, but a quick CL search of the greater LA area yields two Le Mans possibilities(58cm), at $175 and $200 respectively, about 40-40 miles and endless traffic apart from each other. Ebay didn't turn up Le Man's specifically, a few Centurions in general, and only one Centurion on the small side - a Sport DLX that, if it goes for the minimum bid, will still cost $100 by the time it gets to the door.
For unremarkable (read common, every day) bikes, eBay would be the last resort for me, for a couple of reasons - 1)shipping charges are about as much as the bike is worth, and 2) I can't see what I'm getting for my money before it arrives.
I still say a clean bird in the hand is worth two dirty birds in the bush.
Originally Posted by
A.Winthrop
Well, local market considerations are important, I suppose.
But I'd rather pay a little more for a CrMo\Mangaloy frame
(mid-to-late '80s LeMans RS or Mixte) than a 100% Hi-Ten
frame. I'm not a weight weenie, but 30.25 lbs for a 21"
men's Clic (probably more for the Mixte) is a LOT more
weight than 25.75lbs for a 21" LeMans RS (probably more for
the Mixte version). That's for 1982. Later LeMans: 24lbs.
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By the way, my 1982 catalog shows the Clic Mixte with a flat
bar option. It is also available with dropped bars (and
those awful cheater brake levers).
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I'm a Centurion booster because I've got more than a few.
But I'm a booster only of the LeMans RS on up the food
chain. Those below the LeMans (or its counterparts among most
other Japanese brands of the 1980s "glory years") are not
great bikes but sell for only a little less than their much
better cousins.
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Oh, and one more thing. By 1982 the Mixte versions were made
in Taiwan, not Japan. At least that's what my catalog says
(the "boy's model" too). That raises a quality issue in my
mind.
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The Clic morphed into the Sport DLX, the lowest-end model
of the Centurion line in 1983. The 1983 Centurion catalog's
Sport DLX page says across the top:
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"Sport DLX (formerly Clic)"
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So there you have it.
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