How about VT, or any other random shooting. Some ******* running around capping people. In Salt lake we had an incident where some ******* 17 year old went into a mall with a shotgun and started blasting people. only 6 people died I think, and that was because there happened to be an off duty police officer there, who was carrying concealed. If that guy had not been there, the shooting could have continued for a lot longer and several more innocent lives would have been lost. Situations like this, where a citizen who has proper training and is armed are why people should be allowed to carry guns.