I agree, and I'm guilty too, even after realizing that I've spent too much of my personal time reiterating the same ideas. This goes on in the commuting forum as well. I imagine that this is perhaps the one place where many people with like-mindedness come to and are able to vent, so that's why there's been so much of it. But that's no excuse for veering off topic so much. I think it's important especially now to keep a positive attitude, especially with all the new members coming in.

For energy-related discussion, there's a lot of deep, thorough, honest, and intelligent analysis and discussion going on at theoildrum.com, which would be a fine place to shift some of this discussion to.

Let's get back to what we came here in the first place - bikes!