Urbanknight: I got a late start up La Tuna and, after a bagel, went by there around 12 noon.
Endoverendo: I probably saw you at Goldsteins, I was alone on a (gasp!) 'bent.
MTBMaven: Thanks for the routes!

It's encouraging that people don't usually contend with insane drivers, I'll give it another try but earlier in the AM.