interesting. Maybe i am tense, i'll check out seat height too thanks.. I dont know though... I do look upright there but after riding for a while i know i get lower... The fact that i have a flat bar and im leaning over means my arms/elbows are pressing back. Thats why i think i need a longer stem. I am adding a trekking bar but its my theory that if my arms were outstretched my elbows wouldnt be pressing back when leaning over and i wouldnt get anymore neck pain, what do you think?