Well i haven't rode in a week or 2 (been working). So i decided to ride a bit today and try some 180s... Well i figured out what i was doing wrong... i wasnt using the bars as the axis for my spin. I was using the center of the bike. I was messing around and tweeking my bars when i felt the back turn so i applyed this to my sad attempts at 180's i can spin it now... actually over spin... but still cant land them... check these out and give some advice...