Pablo: Nyack does have a relaxed rollout for 20-30 mins, then the hammer drops. Don't worry about the terrain, if you can handle Gimbels you'll be OK on Nyack.

Brians: The Stages of Self Loathing are:

• Detonation

• Getting Shelled Like a Cheap Oyster

• Humiliation

• Disgust

• Self Hatred

• Depression

• Blogging on BF

• On line shopping

• Schwag Procurement

• Self Delusion

• More Competitive Riding

And then of course the cycle repeats itself. The path to Pcad Cycling Zen is circular, and expensive.

Of course when you don't get shelled it's always Big Fun.