Well Ron you caught me - I'm a tightwad! Ended up ordering a Moto Immortal Spirit. I'm just too tight to pay brick & mortar prices. Sure did like the looks of one of the upper end Bianchi bikes though. You should talk to the salesman who sold me the Vette - He's probably still taking meds to settle his nerves. OK - so now give me your opinion on the "Immoral Spirit".