I like my Vittorias but mine are Ronnondoleurs (sp?—don't even think that one is in the s'n's; and I'm too lazy to get up and look, too! Bad teacher! Bad teacher! Oh, those lashes hurt! Oh those lashes hurt!). Aside from being a total ***** to get on the rim and losing many layers of skin on my palms and puncturing three tubes, they were f-ing aweseom. Love'em.