Originally Posted by
octopus magic
The fact that a supa sweet (pink even!) 52cm Panasonic can be more kludgy, heavier, and flexier than a mass produced mid-level track frame.
The new Panasonics are about 4lbs on average.
That's not anything really heavy IMO. Just normal for a good steel track frame. If you buy a Nagasawa or a 3rensho (I did), you'll find it won't be any lighter or built any better. NJS frames are, as everyone knows, made of steel and built about like a great frame in the 70s would have been. Theyre no modern carbon or AL frame and cant be compared with one in the weight game. More than anything, at least they have style and are built to the utmost quality standards and have never seen a Taiwan factory.
As for the stiffness...not sure if theyve changed or not over the old one you have/had but the new green one I had awhile back was a very stiff frame.