190 is a lot, but the numbers are also very high, but it puts things in perspective a little. Regardless, we have data, the winner did the 4.3 mile climb in 21 minutes @ 12.4 mph. That is helpful info.

And I apologize I did not mean to call this racer fat if it came out that way. He is a winner on what I perceive to be a very hard road race and he could crush me so... I'll just go climb some hills